well, who was that guy, michael? this is not a guy we had seen on the campaign trail for the last -- >> i can't even take any of this seriously. >> -- several months. >> i think, first off, the whole idea this guy is an empty suit, it's laughable to say that. he was the governor of a state, and he was very successful as a governor of a state. he was able to cobble together the coalition, something this president hasn't been able to do, quite frankly, to get his agenda done. >> why does he keep saying his -- excuse me. this one gets to me, and i don't like the word lie, but i think he's dealing in an untruth here. he did it the other night after being corrected by his staff when he did it on one of the sunday shows. he said his health care plan, such as it's going to be, will cover people who don't have coverage for a pre-existing condition and they try to buy a policy, and he keeps saying they can go buy one and he'll make sure they can buy one legally, there will be such policies made available. immediately they com